"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
08/06/2018 at 14:21 • Filed to: wingspan, Planelopnik
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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
08/06/2018 at 14:21 • Filed to: wingspan, Planelopnik | 2
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!!!CAPTION ERROR: MAY BE MULTI-LINE OR CONTAIN LINK!!!
The rough streak for vintage aircraft continues. Following the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! of a de Havilland Venom jet fighter and its pilot in Wisconsin and the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! of the C-47 Bluebonnet Belle in Texas last month, a vintage !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! (HB-HOT) on a sightseeing trip crashed in the Swiss Alps this past Saturday, killing all 20 on board. Witnesses said the aircraft came down almost straight into the ground. No cause for the crash has been determined, and the investigation will be hampered by the lack of any black boxes on the aircraft.
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Update: Wikipeda has a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! of the wreckage. It’s not gory, but it’s brutal. Here is a link. Requests have been made to delete it, so there’s no saying how long it will be up. As of now, I do not plan to post it here.
WilliamsSW
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:02 |
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Funny that they say they have ruled out a collision already , despite having no clue.
I read elsewhere that there is a relatively new cable in that area, so it seems like a possibility at least.
RIP crew and passengers.
Maxima Speed
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:09 |
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This is exactly why as much as I love old planes I won’t ride in them. Riding around in 70 year old plane with questionable integrity? Recipe for disaster. I’ll stick to modern planes.
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:09 |
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dis why i only drive junkers.......
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ttyymmnn
> Maxima Speed
08/06/2018 at 10:19 |
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You know how much I love old airplanes, and I would have to agree with you. Honestly, though, I don’t think newer aircraft are inherently safer.
My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:31 |
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I ride in 40-60 year old Cessna planes often I don’t think they are more dangerous than a recent built 172. It’s all about maintenance.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:32 |
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There’s a little old lady taking ground school with me. She’s been associated with the Commemorative Air Force (CAF) for many years and finally decided she should be flying. She bought into a Aeron ca Champ and plans to fly the wings off it.
The CAF was started in South Texas at the Central Valley Airport in Mercedes, TX and was formerly known as the Confederate Air Force. An interesting side note - my wife is from the area and her family used to rent out the CAF hangar to hold large family gatherings. I was always more interested in the planes parked outside than in the party.
They moved CAF headquarters to the Dallas area some time ago. I’ve missed them.
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ttyymmnn
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/06/2018 at 10:39 |
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I think the name change does them a good service. And best part, they didn’t have to change the logo or the letterhead. Going to the big CAF show in Midland is on my bucket list.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 10:46 |
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It does. They changed it because the original name was causing confusion. The next AIRSHO is this September. I probably can’t make it this year, but next year I should be able to FLY to it!
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ttyymmnn
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/06/2018 at 10:49 |
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I’ve got that on my calendar. In fact, I put all the TX shows on my calendar when they are announced. But I won’t be going again this year. I’ve got a Symphony concert on Saturday night. Which is not to say I couldn’t go on Sunday. But it’s a long drive to Midland without a stay over.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 11:13 |
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It’s a short flight to Midland from Austin.
About two hours. Hmmmm....
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ttyymmnn
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/06/2018 at 11:19 |
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As opposed to 5 hours of driving .
I drove out there last year for my son’s band competition, but we stayed the night. I suppose if the show is over by 5 then I’d be home by 11. But I would have to leave at 4 am to make a day out of it.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 11:27 |
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There may be an opportunity for an Oppo meetup here.
McMike
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 13:19 |
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My favorite line of this article
He said there was no reason to think the vintage plane, a so-called “Juncker” mid-century model, was unsafe.
That’s like saying “... there was no reason to think the Mustang , a so-called “Ford ” was unsafe.”
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ttyymmnn
> McMike
08/06/2018 at 14:16 |
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Wiki now has a picture of the crashed plane, and it has been nominated for deletion. Not sure if I should make it part of my article or not. I’m torn.
As for mid-century, they did manufacture them in Spain as late as 1950. So this may have been one of the later builds.
ranwhenparked
> McMike
08/06/2018 at 14:27 |
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I think whoever wrote that honestly had no idea that was the manufacturer and assumed it was some sort of nickname.
Ash78, voting early and often
> McMike
08/06/2018 at 14:45 |
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There’s no reason the Irish Times, a so-called “News-paper,” was drunk.
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Ash78, voting early and often
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
08/06/2018 at 14:47 |
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Different beast, though — the Cessna was built to run almost indefinitely, with easy maintenance and a steady supply of parts for a long time to come.
A lot of these old warbirds were built in a big hurry and only to last a short while (and have been maintained in a lot of cases with bespoke/aftermarket parts)
But yeah, you’re exactly right. My dad was the head of sales/marketing and training when Cessna restarted single engine construction in the late 90s. In his words, it was just about updating the avionics and aesthetics, otherwise they’re basically the same 172s that were built 30 years earlier (with different engines).
AuthiCooper1300
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 14:49 |
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Have a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airworthy_Ju_52s
It seems HB-HOT started flying with the Swiss AF in 1939. CASA
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> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 14:56 |
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I fully understand your decision. S t r a n g e l y e n o u g h ( I c a n n o t really expl a i n w h y ) I found the “Sonia” impact picture much more shocking than the one of the crash site in Switzerlan d .
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ttyymmnn
> AuthiCooper1300
08/06/2018 at 14:58 |
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Not at all.
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ttyymmnn
> AuthiCooper1300
08/06/2018 at 14:58 |
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Thanks. I havent done much digging.
MonkeePuzzle
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 15:08 |
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oof, that cras h pic! certainly not a plane designed for an impact. bare minimum to make it fly and hold cargo, no strength beyond that
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ttyymmnn
> MonkeePuzzle
08/06/2018 at 15:14 |
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Not much of anything is going to survive a hit like that.
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ranwhenparked
> Maxima Speed
08/06/2018 at 20:05 |
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Depends on the plane. I’d jump right on a well maintained DC-3 in a heartbeat.
Jayvincent
> ttyymmnn
08/06/2018 at 20:23 |
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N o evidence of a fire, which makes me think they may have been out of fuel? Hard to imagine engine trouble being the cause in a 3-engine bird. Frozen controls or broken control cable would explain the apparent lack of a controlled decent, even without engine power . Or pilot hypoxia (oxygen deficiency ) due to some sort of equipment failure - I can’t find a definite answer on-line if these were pressurized cabins (I don’t see how they could be given the construction) or not. Sad day.
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ttyymmnn
> Jayvincent
08/06/2018 at 20:26 |
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I think a loss of control authority would be the main cause of a nose-in crash like that. If you haven’t, or if you want to, take a look at the crash photo. They went straight in. Some sort of stall? Hard to say. I think the weather was fine.
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Jayvincent
> Maxima Speed
08/06/2018 at 20:31 |
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I too, prefer enjoying them from the ground, safely away from the flight path, but I can understand the desire to have the first-hand experience. I’d consider a practice hop, maybe 5,000 feet, circle and land, worth the risk in a vintage aircraft. I’m not sure I’d sign up for a 90 mile trip over the Swiss Alps in one, though.
RIP pilots, crew and passengers.
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Jayvincent
> AuthiCooper1300
08/06/2018 at 20:34 |
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DailyMail article says it was not HB-HOY
Ju-Air started operating flights with the old-timers in 1983, and the plane that crashed - with the registration HB-HOT - had been in service with the company since 1985.
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AuthiCooper1300
> Jayvincent
08/07/2018 at 07:01 |
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I don’t quite get what you are trying to say.
– HB-HOT is the Ju-52 involved in the crash. Acquired in 1939 by the Swiss Air Force. Built in Germany by Junkers.
– HB-HOY is another Ju-52 operated by Ju-Air. It is A CASA 352 - i.e., a Ju-52 built in Spain under license.
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